2 yrs, 2 mths ago

Chatting (Version 2)

It’s polite to keep conversations on-topic; & members dislike when a thread becomes clogged with digressive chatter. But what to do when you don’t know or can’t find where to post your comment? If it’s not worth creating a new topic, post your idle chat, mindless drivel & irrelevant whatnot here!

* This topic replaces the 14-year-old, heavily used & much-loved “Chatting” thread, which is now inaccessible due to Bh site glitches.

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  • 2 mths, 1 w ago

    Has anyone noticed another small glitch? I’ve submitted 6 reviews recently for a discovery bag (yay lucky me – ever so grateful) but when I was reading other reviews for same products and switching between different pages and reviews, I noticed that the review under my name was not my review. I had to refresh the page to get the right review. Makes for some funny moments as I thought to myself I don’t remember saying that. Thought I was losing my mind for a second. LOL

    And just noticed that one of the titles I wrote for the skin physics review I wrote “good hydrating hair serum” not face serum. Silly me

  • 2 mths, 1 w ago

    Has anyone noticed another small glitch? I’ve submitted 6 reviews recently for a discovery bag (yay lucky me – ever so grateful) but when I was reading other reviews for same products and switching between different pages and reviews, I noticed that the review under my name was not my review. I had to refresh the page to get the right review. Makes for some funny moments as I thought to myself I don’t remember saying that. Thought I was losing my mind for a second 🤣

  • 3 mths ago

    How exciting, last week we were walking and I saw a real owl, i was so excited

    • 2 mths, 1 w ago

      I see tawny frogmouths & my place, but I haven’t seen an owl in ages. It’s exciting to see something out of the ordinary, isn’t it! Did you get a pic, @Shop AE?

    • 3 mths ago

      Reply pending – another bloody critical error!

  • 3 mths ago

    I saw an echidna at my sister’s place last week. My nephew was particularly excited, & so were my sister & I – I think it’s only the 2nd time I’ve seen one in the wild!

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    • 2 mths, 1 w ago

      I saw an Echidna crossing the road when my hubby and I were driving. we pulled over and got a quick photo before it scurried away. They are really interesting little things.

  • 3 mths ago

    Just got another critical error!

  • 3 mths, 2 wks ago

    Every second comment I try to make on the forum gets a critical error message & I’m OVER IT!

  • 5 mths, 2 wks ago

    I understand that, but choice has been around for decades so people trust them and believe them when they publish these results

    • 5 mths, 2 wks ago

      I understand why people trust Choice given their long-standing reputation. I grew up with little to no appreciation of the organisation, so it doesn’t hold any particular meaning for me and I’m not inclined to immediately take the results at face value. The testing methodology deployed is questionable but it might be the only process we currently have and this could prompt better testing methodology being introduced or devised. I’m not entirely convinced by UV’s statement either, but it’s absolutely correct that testing on just 10 individuals wouldn’t even meet TGA standards. The outrage could be a bit more measured – outright boycotts of certain brands might be premature.

  • 5 mths, 2 wks ago

    I see Choice have released their sunscreen results, the worst was an Ultra Violette product which they have said only contains an SPF of 4
    How on earth can the testings be so wrong?

    • 4 mths, 3 wks ago

      @SAE: I saw that news article, too, & was shocked & disgusted!

      Choice are a very reputable source, who conduct rigorous, unbiased independent testing, so I believe their claims. They tested 20 different SPF50 & SPF50+ sunscreens & only 4 of them actually provided the level of protection that they stated on their packaging – meaning that 16 of the 20 don’t! Choice says that the TGA accept the brands’ assertions without checking for themselves!

      & I thought Australia’s sunscreen regulations were amongst the toughest in the world! This is very disturbing!

    • 5 mths, 2 wks ago

      I would take those results with a heavy grain of salt. The results for UV alone when it contains the amount of zinc in the formulation makes 0 sense. They also decanted the products before testing – that already put the products at risk of unnecessary exposure.

      • 5 mths, 2 wks ago

        I agree, @Ethelinde, sunscreen testing is not an exact science and the results vary depending on the lab. Michelle @ Labmuffin release a short video in response, she explains the issues and inconsistencies around testing. So I would probably only avoid a product if there have been multiple labs showing that the test significantly lower than the label.

        @labmuffinbeautyscience

        Did you see the Choice sunscreen testing results? Here’s an SPF deep dive! Key points: • Sunscreens are very effective, these results do not indicate that you should lose faith in them • SPF testing is a lot less precise than it might seem – this is an inherent limitation of the test, there’s a lot of variation with results even if nothing has gone “wrong” • Formulas can change over time (slight changes in raw ingredients etc) • I’d guess a lot of “fails” are explained by interlab variability (the lab Choice used tends to get numbers on the lower end), the rest by formulas changing over time (especially the ones that tested much lower) • Mineral sunscreens are generally less robust, more easily affected by small changes (also seen in Consumer Reports tests) • The newer ISO tests should improve reproducibility, and make it easier for brands to ensure SPF won’t drift over time (maybe this should be required?) • User error is a much bigger cause of sunscreen failure than sunscreen formulas (not applying enough, not reapplying, relying on sunscreen alone) • MEASURE YOUR FINGERS 😤😤😤 • The largest clinical trial on sunscreen (the Nambour trial) found huge benefits from SPF 16 (and it didn’t look very photostable!) Other notes: • I think brands with lower SPF results should investigate – most brand statements indicate they’re doing that, but there are a few bizarre claims in there (IMO)… • SPF 50+ actually means SPF 60 or over in Australia, so technically only 2 sunscreens “passed”, not 4 • I don’t love the framing of one lab’s results as the “true” SPF, but the imprecise nature of SPF testing doesn’t seem well known (also SPF tests have a +/-17% (95% CI) limit, for methodology nerds) • MEASURE YOUR FINGERS 😤😤😤 • I talked about 2010 and 2019 ISO24444 together – 2010 is still allowed for AU sunscreens launched before July 2024 (changes mostly impacted reproducibility) #spf #sunscreen #skincare #instaskincare

        ♬ original sound – Lab Muffin Beauty Science

  • 5 mths, 2 wks ago

    I must’ve missed the Discovery Bag, congrats to those on it. I await your reviews.

  • 5 mths, 3 wks ago

    I’m having computer issues, so I’m using my tablet & every single forum & article comment is going into moderation. So frustrating!

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